Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?(lucumr.pocoo.org)
358 points by manojbajaj95 4 hours ago | 256 comments
tl;dr: Armin Ronacher ran GPT-6 "Astra" as an unsupervised "software factory" for 35 hours, burning ~1B tokens and $1,200 to produce 75k lines of largely unusable code, including bizarrely code-golfed Python for tool calls, unreadable C with hardcoded magic constants, and tests with mangled whitespace. He argues Astra is optimized for token efficiency and long-horizon task completion rather than human-readable code, making it worse for real software engineering despite being impressive at 3D games, computer use, and reverse engineering. The trajectory of frontier models, he suggests, is diverging from the needs of working programmers.
HN Discussion:
  • Shitty AI-generated code compounds and stalls progress, confirming the author's concerns
  • RL training shifted toward long-horizon task success at the expense of code quality
  • Personal experience with Astra confirms it wastes tokens and underperforms on real tasks
  • With well-groomed specs and human review, AI agents still produce quality code effectively
  • AI engineering as a whole is an involution—more effort without meaningful output gains